What Did You Think of Romney's Speech?

Reginald Bronner September 1, 2012 at 02:00 am

You don't talk with liberals. You talk at them with your preconceived low-level of understanding polished by the ultimate ugly spinmeister and bigot, Rush LImberger. Posting a hate email is about the best you can do it seems.

Kerry Jacobs September 1, 2012 at 02:40 am

Thank you for that wonderful contribution to the discussion, R. Martel. Let's see ... of the Democrats I know ... oh wait, to do something that is nothing more than attack on the other side without any actual facts doesn't actually help build a consensus and solve problems. Sheesh ... all you Democrats and Left-wingers who decry GOP tactics, where are you now? Hello. Seriously, you keep decrying the tactics of the other side, while never (NEVER) pointing out that it's statements like this from your side that do absolutely nothing to help solve the problem. You want to know what caused the divide ... decades of Liberals questioning the patriotism of Republicans, decades of questioning whether Republicans are really Americans, decades of challenging whether republicans love their country as much as you do. It's pathetic, it really is. It's impossible to work with people who never stop challenging the very foundation of your beliefs. Romney 2012 lets get rid of the Yea He Do !

Mike Kurtz September 1, 2012 at 11:17 pm

Good comments Mark. I think you made it clear as to why there is a divide. After watching the convention I con only conclude that the sole purpose of the Republicans is do do what they said they were going to do when Obama was elected, 'everything the can do to defeat him.' And how are they doing this? By lying in order to create hate. Unfortunately that will backfire in the long run and they will end up being the ones who are hated. I would vote for Republicans this time around if they would commit to owning the outcome of there actions and admitting to their failures when they fail. I wonder why the did not have Bush or Chaney or Rumsfeld or Rove at their convention?

Mike Kurtz September 1, 2012 at 11:20 pm

I was talking to a Mormon Republican friend and they were telling me that since the current Republican party has adopted Ayn Rand's philosophy she is convinced that Romney or Ryan are the anti-christ. Can that be?

Mark Paxson September 2, 2012 at 12:06 am

Mike ... you hit on it ... It's a fascinating thing, blame, blame, blame. Obama is responsible for everything that has gone wrong, even those things that took place before he became President. Meanwhile, those who will be voting Republican this year refuse to acknowledge anything Republicans have done to contribute to the mess or even question whether the Romney-Ryan ideas would work.

Mark Paxson September 2, 2012 at 12:08 am

Kerry ... feel free to give me examples of liberals questioning the patriotism of Republicans, questioning whether they are really Americans, or challenging whether they love their country.

M.Legison September 2, 2012 at 01:24 am

Mark, to the contrary, Obama has blamed Bush for EVERYTHING, and continues to do so. Also to the contrary, I can't think of one Republican than doesn't acknowledge that Obama inherited a real mess from Bush. The problem we have is that Obama takes NO responsibility for his abject failures on his promises to turn things around. He didn't cause the problem, but he's made it worse or done nothing net beneficial to fix it, depending on your viewpoint.

Mark Paxson September 2, 2012 at 11:38 am

I'm curious, M., do you recall Obama's predecessor, in the heat of a campaign acknowledging responsibility for any of his failures. In fact, do you recall any candidate for office acknowledging mistakes. The problem here is that people are holding Obama to a fundamentally different standard than they are anybody else. You want Obama to acknowledge his mistakes, why aren't you holding Republicans to the same standard. And, I'm not talking about GWB (only used him as an example), I'm talking about the current crop of Republican leaders. It's fascinating watching this discussion evolve (or devolve). Obama is responsible for everything and won't admit to a thing. How dare he blame Republicans for their part in this! All I can say is it takes two to tango. And we're definitely in the midst of a tango. Yes, Dems must admit their mistakes, but Republicans NEVER do. This is a perfect example of the double standard that exists in this country.
I think this piece does a pretty good job of analyzing the issue of acknowledging responsibility in the heat of a campaign ... http://news.yahoo.com/political-confessions--a-mistake-to-admit-mistakes-.html

Bwood September 2, 2012 at 12:12 pm

Thank you, Mark. If I were from anywhere else in the world, I might think that our two-party system is not working that well.

Bwood September 2, 2012 at 12:22 pm

"The problem we have is that Obama takes NO responsibility for his abject failures on his promises to turn things around. He didn't cause the problem, but he's made it worse or done nothing net beneficial to fix it, depending on your viewpoint."
Oh so what, M., it's what politicians do. Ronald Reagan ran for governor here on a platform that promised to eliminate the deficit. When the smoke cleared, we had the largest deficit in the state's history. Then we rewarded him by electing him POTUS.

Mario September 2, 2012 at 12:25 pm

His speech was so/so. Left me with more questions than answers because I didnt feel it really addressed anything but the same rehtoric we have been hearing from both sides of the fence. I did like Clints speech though because it came from his heart. I am not saying I agree with it, I am saying I enjoyed the spirit in which it was made.

Mark Paxson September 2, 2012 at 12:54 pm

By the way, to continue on my last post ... I seem to remember GWB being asked at one point what he thought was his biggest mistake as President and his response being something along the lines of "geewillikers, I can't think of anything I've done wrong."

M.Legison September 2, 2012 at 01:42 pm

It's always Bush, isn't it, Mark? Never mind that the GOP has fully recognized itsreckless spending during Bush years, the errors Bush has made, and the growing entitlement deficit over the past few decades, and how our party has reorganized to better address the nation's health. Just ignore that if you choose, but then look at the past four years and how miserable they have been. And still, you think this path should be continued. (?)
Regardless, we're not going to agree because we see a reality of different components through different lenses, neither of which is unbiased.

Kerry Jacobs September 2, 2012 at 06:18 pm

Ronald Reagen said it best to sum up this entire thread. "quote" The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so .

Bwood September 2, 2012 at 08:09 pm

Reagan is also quoted as saying, "Facts are stupid things."

M.Legison September 2, 2012 at 08:49 pm

Reagan made a gaffee on occasion, but his quotes were the best! http://politicalhumor.about.com/cs/quotethis/a/reaganquotes.htm

Mark Paxson September 3, 2012 at 01:18 am

Ignore what ... where are the statements from Republicans taking responsibility for the Bush years? There are none because they refuse to make any reference to those years and the responsibility they have for things that happened under GWB's watch. But, ultimately, you once again miss my point. You, and others, appear upset that Obama doesn't take responsibility. My point was that his predecessors, as with most politicians, don't do that while they're in office. It generally just does not happen. I could have easily said Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, Ford, etc. But, there's a perfect example from recent memory with GWB.

Mark Paxson September 3, 2012 at 01:19 am

I guess this means you've got nothing, huh?

M.Legison September 3, 2012 at 01:36 am

Mark, I reserve the use of the word "ignorant" for only the most blatant cases, and you just went there. To say the a myriad of Republicans have not for several years discussed and analyzed the Bush years and acted to change the party accordingly (as you could see if you are paying attention) is just that. A grossly ignorant statement.
And before you ask, no, I'm not going to supply links for you. If you haven't taken the time to keep in touch with the political climate, other than a rabid act of water carrying for the Democrats, you would somehow reject anything supplied, as you wrongly dismissed the video of Obama even though the words were direct and clear. If a Republican said the sky was blue you would ask for proof. If a Democrat said the sky was being destroyed by the 1%, you'd link the article as evidence and expect a rebuttal.

Mark Paxson September 3, 2012 at 02:07 am

M. there is nothing in the video that provides the necessary context. You think so and keep saying it is so, but you're wrong. As for your other point, what you're doing is twisting it to a description that fits your purposes but isn't responsive to my point. People want Obama to accept responsibility for his failings and to stop blaming others. I ask where is it that Republicans have ever done that. What do you say in response ... Republicans have analyzed the Bush years and are now trying to change their party accordingly. As always, when my point doesn't fit your narrative, you twist it to fit your narrative. You're right, Republicans have spent the last 3 1/2 years changing their party, making it more extreme and less appealing to the moderate voters elections depend on. I couldn't agree with you more that Republicans are changing their party. BUT THAT WASN'T MY POINT!! My point was that Republicans have never accepted responsibility for their failings the way you and others believe Obama and Dems should. You all want a mea culpa, but don't think Republicans need to provide one as well. Changing their party? That's no mea culpa, that's what every political party does when it loses an election like Republicans did in 2008. Try again, and I'll remember that when you can't follow my point, you can only resort to name-calling. Pathetic. You just lost a ton of respect from me because of your inability to stay on point.

M.Legison September 3, 2012 at 03:37 am

Your identity politics blind you, as they do most of the far left. The errors made by the Republicans under Bush have been discussed by nearly all relevant economists and politicians, and manifested themselves in the tea party movement. The Demos were too busy wetting their pants over our ability to stop much of Obamas central planning and spending to see the real purpose. Now we are mainstream in the party, and we are ousting, one by one, the conventional big spending, country club, corporate welfare Republicans. Now we have Ryan, Rubio, Martinez, Flake, Lee, and other smart young people who understand that taxation and spending have never made for prosperity. The Republicans now have more people than the Demos, and we're getting our increase largely from independents who rightfully could not identify with the party previously. Again, I don't expect you to see this, Mark, as you're frightfully insular and dogmatic in your dedication to your progressives. That is OK because there are not enough of you to matter in numbers.

Kerry Jacobs September 3, 2012 at 09:02 am

M.L. You need to run for office to help save this GREAT nation ! Your making way to much sence. Thank god for liberal sites like this one (The Patch) where we concervatives can pass on the truth that we dont get from the main streem media. Who knows, Once Romney turns his country around and people start feeling better about themselves because they now will have a job maybe some liberals might just turn Repu... Ahhh Nevermind.

Mark Paxson September 3, 2012 at 10:38 am

M. ... again, rather than responding to my point, you just stick with your narrative, and I'm the one that is blind. This is why discussions are impossible with you -- you have a narrative you want out there and are unwilling to depart from it. All things must be twisted to fit into that narrative. You have yet to provide any evidence of Republicans acknowledging responsibility for what happened from 1/01 to 1/09. Yes, they discussed it. Yes, they analyzed it. Yes, they changed their strategy as a result of the events of 2008, because that's what losing parties do. Yet, there is nothing you can point to of leading Republicans providing a public mea culpa of their responsibility for what has happened over the past ten years. So, keep on with your narrative and accusing me of being ignorant, insular and dogmatic and insisting I'm one of those nasty, horrible progressives. Yes, I am a liberal, but I think I've proved to you over the past few months, that I'm most certainly not dogmatic or insular. You just can't help yourself, however -- you are completely incapable of dealing with somebody who doesn't fit into your boxes and into your narrative. I'll say it again, your inability to grasp the larger world is pathetic. Glad you have a cheerleader in Kerry ... somebody who, like you, can't possibly provide the proof of her (his?) false statements.

Mark Paxson September 3, 2012 at 11:09 am

M. ... I'm so insular and dogmatic, my favorite blogger is a libertarian. How's that fit into the box you've made for me?

Roberta Hubbard October 5, 2012 at 11:10 am

Who will protect you when and if you get a disability?? Yeh, it is easy to want to put down the poor...until you are one of them.

Roberta Hubbard October 5, 2012 at 11:13 am

Every president wants to create jobs, and it is still a problem. Why do you think Romney would suddenly change that fact? Magical thinking?? And just how safe is it this plan of his to create more jobs than as it stands today? What will he affect? I don't trust him.

Roberta Hubbard October 5, 2012 at 11:18 am

It sounds like Republican talk all over again. Republicans against the Democrats fiercly. Democrats like Obama are more for working for all the people, Republicans and Democrats, rich, middle class, and yes, the POOR. Romney is stands clearly for one side, and that kind of thinking is dangerous, and more dangerous in the long run.

Roberta Hubbard October 5, 2012 at 11:21 am

NO, Obama admits the mess were in from Bush, and the current times, moreover he is realistic. Romney, puts Blame on Obama for everything and imagines that he will make a remarkable difference...easy said than done. Again, Obama is honest and realistic about the matters and Romney is faking it just to get a Republican president back in.

Roberta Hubbard October 5, 2012 at 11:25 am

The problem with our Republican friends is that they are stubborn, forceful, and unwise. They don't care to think about the other side, but forceably move forward not caring about others.....war on Iraq is a bigggg one. World peace is so important, yet Republican party always wants to be the one on top and will even vote for war as if there are no other options. How devestating for everyone everywhere and to our planet.

Roberta Hubbard October 5, 2012 at 01:14 pm

On Wednesday's presidential debates, Mitt Romney made some big promises. But the one that stuck out to me was his vow to cut all of PBS's funding -- even though it only makes up 0.012% of the federal budget.
So, doesn't this show you what kind of person he is? He would rather allow for prosperous T.V. producers and violent programing to rule our country. Do Republicans even watch PBS??? We have to fight this!! Protect our freedom for decency...and independent thinkers, by which PBS supports. Romney is trying to take too much CONTROL, and that is dangerous.